Old house renovation question -

07/29/2017 - 14:09

Old house renovation question - ceilings! Does anyone know about the rules for renovating an older house in Italy in terms of ceiling height? I was told that the cellar ceiling is too low to be converted to "livable space". What height does it have to be? Also, does this mean that the cellar cannot be renovated at all? It is a disaster and needs to be fixed (dirt floors, lots of damp, rotting beams, badly renovated brick ceiling, etc).And would I be able to use part of it as an occasional dining room/work room? I have been given the impression that one cannot even renovate a space unless it is "livable". But this doesn't seem right to me. In France, one can renovate whatever you want and even use it reguarly - even as a bedroom. But it just cannot be counted towards the total square metres. Is this is the same in Italy and I have just misunderstood? Or are the Italian authorities much more strict?I have asked a geometra who has looked at the house, but he has just gone on holiday for a month and I need to know sooner than later.Cheers.

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Ceiling height required is approx 2.7metresIf you have a dirt floor, you could perhaps lower the floor to get the height.You can ask your comune for a dispensation, via a geometra or architect - but not too hopeful on that.The ceiling height refers to habitable room - you could probably argue that a workroom isn't habitable.  Or you could make it a store roomThere is nothing to stop you using a workroom/store as a dining room, or bedroom [or even a store romm as a workroom] - it just means that when you sell it it will be a non-habitable room in the description.

Thank you. This makes more sense and sounds more like France. But when I have talked to people like the estate agent or seen forum posts, I get the impression that if any people in housing authority find anything that suggests a life other than storage (bed, table, sofa), you can get a hefty fine. Seems insane to me if this is the case. This definitely would not happen in France.I have been trying to do research on whether one can install a toilet and sink underneath stairs and whether one can install a washer/dryer in part of the cantina which would be used as a "utlity room"/laundry. But I have not found any solid information on that either. I read that bathrooms need a minimum of 3m2 but I have also seen pictures of tiny loos and sinks under stairs. I am not interested in installing a shower or bathtub in this space - just a half bath.Any ideas regarding the half bath and laundry area?Cheers!

My washing machine is installed [plans submitted and approved by Comune] in the garage, so I don't see whay you couldn't put one in the cantinaI did need to push the architect do do it - he wanted it in the bathroom, but I was the Client and said what I wanted.

I have had issues with my previous owners of my house, making changes to the property without the correct planning applications and permissions - and so this information is directly from the comune from last November.  My ground floor was converted into a kitchen, cantina and groundfloor bathroom/utility room.  The ceiling height is 2.5m.  I was told my the comune that I could not call the space a kitchen on the floor plans , I could not sell the house without a 'kitchen' being installed on the 1st floor (albeit a basic one) , and I could not apply for a 'change of use' for the ground floor, because the ceiling height was too low.  However, I would not need to take out the existing kitchen or bathroom, and I could continue using it as it currently is - I just can't call it 'legal space' on the registered floor plans, or advertise it as 'livable space' should I sell the house in the future.

Thanks. All helpful information. I have read that each commune is different but at least this gives me hope. The area under the stairs is tiny but one doesn't need a lot of space for a toilet and a small sink. Fingers crossed.