I read today (5/2-2011) David Cameron’s multiculturism is dead!! And this puts me in a frame of mind after reading numerous postings on this site - what are you foreigners in Italy doing here…??
Last year we did three PV installations 10.88kWp, 9.33kWp & 7.66kWp. This year we are doing 143kWp & 97kWp installations all for Italian clients - the average costs were €3.00.Wp excl IVA. I would like to iron out a few errors that are creeping in.... For residents under 20kWp installations and which has the best return on capital is called "scambio sul posto". This means every kWp produced by your PV array is feed into the network and you are paid approx. 33cents/kWp by GSE. Further from Enel you are allowed to recoup the amount deposited. This is done bi monthly - so some months you'll have to pay and some months you'll have a credit which will be carried over. Any kWp remaining after 12 months is carried over for a rolling 3 year cycle so you have the opportunity to use this power if you don't Enel will pay you 8 cents/kWp. So in principle you get a contribution of 33 cents plus you get free leccy at say 19 cents/kWp and it is this money multiplied by your annual consumption that pays for the capital cost loan. It works but contributions are being cut this year by 18% followed by 6% per year until 2013. If you are going to do it - do it now!! I hope this helps....??? Larger installations have the same sorts of tariffs but are more complicated due to company accounting et cetera...
Last year we did three PV installations 10.88kWp, 9.33kWp & 7.66kWp. This year we are doing 143kWp & 97kWp installations all for Italian clients - the average costs were €3.00.Wp excl IVA. I would like to iron out a few errors that are creeping in.... For residents under 20kWp installations and which has the best return on capital is called "scambio sul posto". This means every kWp produced by your PV array is feed into the network and you are paid approx. 33cents/kWp by GSE. Further from Enel you are allowed to recoup the amount deposited. This is done bi monthly - so some months you'll have to pay and some months you'll have a credit which will be carried over. Any kWp remaining after 12 months is carried over for a rolling 3 year cycle so you have the opportunity to use this power if you don't Enel will pay you 8 cents/kWp. So in principle you get a contribution of 33 cents plus you get free leccy at say 19 cents/kWp and it is this money multiplied by your annual consumption that pays for the capital cost loan. It works but contributions are being cut this year by 18% followed by 6% per year until 2013. If you are going to do it - do it now!! I hope this helps....??? Larger installations have the same sorts of tariffs but are more complicated due to company accounting et cetera...
There is a difference between pathogens and bacteria. After sewerage treatment there remains no pathogens in the crap you are applying to the soil. Pathogens have the ability to create complex and life threatening diseases!! Crap in itself is fine and potatoes growing in Nepal on their dry toilets is fine - the urine has soaked away. Crap in itself will compost relatively quickly and after aeration and drying by the sun will kill most pathogens however with the mixture of urine you are really much worse off. If you extract the urine (not taking the piss) from the crap at source you can get a much simpler and cleaner type of septic tank. The urine on it's own can be diluted and sprayed quite legally on fields and is a premium fertiliser even human urine - it's 100% sterile. But separating toilets are expensive and storage is double - it is the compiling of all waste in one container that creates the problem. We pay about €800/annum for collection and disposal by authorised contractor with a certificate should it be required. Yes it's expensive (who ever said Italy was cheap) but nature, rivers and the ground water will thank you!
The septic tank normally an Imhoff digests the rest products from your house and it is correct that you must be wary of what you dispose of down the drain. Technically you need to divide the waters into three separate runs, white, grey and black. Black being for the crap and white rain water and grey everything else. The grey water should pass through a grease trap as fat harms the breakdown process of the Imhoff. You should never need to empty your septic tank unless it gets blocked, wrong type of crap down the drains or undersized. After the Imhoff the rules stipulate that you should have an infiltration system which then allows the water to disperse to the ground. This is made up of different types of shingle and gravel sizes. Eventually this will become useless over time and another trench would need to be dug for the next ten years or so. However this method needs a geological report submitted by a geologist to examine the characteristics of the ground soil for absorbing this - otherwise you just have a bog or peat lands... An alternative is a filter which absorbs to 99% all the pathogens leaving the Imhoff and needs to be emptied every year with a certificate of disposal by a approved contractor. Naturally the rules are applied differently from commune to commune, region to region and province to province... as is normal in Italy. But you should never!!! use the contents on your vegetable patch without the risk of contracting some mysterious disease following the eating of your own pathogens!!! It is quite dangerous and illegal!! I hope this helps
If you feel met by my arrows my apologises!! But if you have nowt constructive to say then don't say anything... Don't knit pick on spelling and language construction it's very demeaning for you.... and I've already broached this earlier... If I see Brits in this light how do you feel Italians see us Brits.... in a better light.. I don't think so!! I see people come and go with good intentions sign up at school and after 3 weeks drop out and then after some time return to the UK because they can't hack it here... they will not integrate they want the whole of Italy to change for them - give me a break. I haven't lived in the UK for over 30 years so I must have been a gumpy young man .. or is it the fact that I see you Brits and that makes me grumpy ashamed of my lands men looking at the view point of Italians. We have a number of Italian friends (yes we do have friends) and at dinner parties this topic always turns up - my wife is proud to say she is not British. The British are strange, they drop out, they don't speak the language, they want to do their way, et cetera... Integrate more!!!
Clinging on.... I'm voicing an opinion not many like and not always PC ... I'm asking you Brits to Integrate more into Italian society only then can things change for the better (from who's perspective - I think it's fine as it is but...). There is seldom anything to debate (sorry lecture) about and feel it is sometimes necessary to stir the pot - I want is a debate and that's what we got. If living in Italy is living in a fantasy world then yes we are... hoorah at last. We are the guests in this country and not the all conquering colonialising force arriving to rape the country as we Brits do best (think empire here) and the only reason we did that - besides the natural resources and a good supply of man servants - was so we could teach the natives English so we didn't need to learn another language. What's wrong with being a little self righteousness or even a little aloof as long as we are not smug about it - we have just integrated (there's the plot). History has shown that a conquering force (I'm not saying we are conquering here) in the end fails ... Oh look at Egypt... We gave india back... but the Vikings, Norse men, Norman integrated and learnt the language and customs... yes they wanted a better climate, better harvests et cetera.. Integrate - learn the language we are still going to school regularly even after 6 yeras at our cost no free scholl here - it's a difficult language. It's hard work and nothing in life comes free!!
Even people who research can get it wrong - the property Winnifred bought was priced 30.000 euros less than they paid for it on a local website!! I have first hand experience of this over pricing - buyer beware springs to mind. Using an estate agents' geometra is always a bad move just more money for the unregistered estate agents - the named estate agents use this frequently as their bank account testify. I know of both companies well and their tactics over the last 6 years - real scoundrels (now I'm being PC) - the both of them!! I concur with qui gía!!
Of course my posting is about generalisations to stimulate the debate and see in what direction the debate goes and how sustainable and of interest (to the members) that debate is. I'm sorry I'm not PC but I'm rather tired of PC - I am direct and candid and I won't apologise for this. This debate is now worth contributing to with many voices going in different directions - it naturally makes me stop and think about points that may not have occurred to me ( I thank you!!). The debate now makes me want write to answer and express a differnt point of view. I especially would like to thank all the postings after my reply to all the one liners who are now obvious in their absence as my faith is being restored that there are people out there with strong views (in either direction)... so now back to the debate... Reggio Emilia is no different from anywhere else in Italy crime rate (we've been broken into once) but in general no different from the UK. Yes I am British and of course I shouldn't use the same brush for all Brits there are I am sure plenty who can meet my expectations. It must be me or the profession I had/have (semi retired) where capital outlay and costs are exorbitant and cash is tight with you Brits (of course I include ourselves). But I am disappointed and exasperated in my lands men they make no effort to accept the culture, they bring theirs with them thank god we're not in Spain with fish & chips at some greasy spoon. They make no effort to even try to learn the language and getto-ism becomes a fact (them and us). I know it's hard work to learn a language I've been at it 5 years and still learning (conjunctives pheww). You get so much more out of Italian culture and everyday situations if you can at least speak the bear essentials it doesn't have to be perfect. On line payments in all their ease but you can't beat queueing up at Sigma, the bank or post office or just sitting 5 minutes more in the bar... to begin to grasp the dolce vita. I'm short of time and hav been for the time it's taken to write the above but I find it interesting and had to write directly.... Thanks again all but the one liners!!
The posting was to inflame debate not spell check and analyse each sentance I wrote. I apologise to all you one liners - I was obviously too near the bone for you and it all rang true - all too true!! The figures are approximate from the NSO a few years back- I've seen families come ago over the last 6 years because of one reason or another slowly returning to the UK. The real world is unfortunately like this and the Brits don't seem to be able to hack it in a foreign language country. I live and work here on a day to day basis with Italians and watch the arrogant Brit arrive fight the system and fail returning home with their tails between their legs. Poorer and no wiser with little or no knowledge of the language culture or the people - morons!! You can't change a system that's been working for a couple of thousand years over night not in a Brit's life time or even patience (which isn't too long or until the money runs out). To live in a new country you have to be flexible and adaptable; you need to thread humbly amongst the locals to become an accepted part of their society. You have to change your manner and the way you deal with things - this is not the UK - the change should be for the better well at least I would hope so. This is a debate forum - so debate and add something constructive instead of criticising and whinging about how true my posting was to you one liners. Thanks!!
Hi jmh, Forget about all the expensive sophisticated energy sources. You're building a brand new timber framed house just insulate the hell out of it 30 cm in the walls, 45 cm in the roof and 20 cm in the floor and you can forget about heating and cooling requirements or you'll need just the bear minimum!! And that is simple to fix with a stufa and/or a small split system at high level. For DHW a small solar panel with 200/300 litres and a water manteled stufa wood or pellet. Cheap as cheese and costs nowt to run!! All you're really trying to do is avoid heat loses and gains to have an ambient indoor climate!!
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Last year we did three PV installations 10.88kWp, 9.33kWp & 7.66kWp. This year we are doing 143kWp & 97kWp installations all for Italian clients - the average costs were €3.00.Wp excl IVA. I would like to iron out a few errors that are creeping in.... For residents under 20kWp installations and which has the best return on capital is called "scambio sul posto". This means every kWp produced by your PV array is feed into the network and you are paid approx. 33cents/kWp by GSE. Further from Enel you are allowed to recoup the amount deposited. This is done bi monthly - so some months you'll have to pay and some months you'll have a credit which will be carried over. Any kWp remaining after 12 months is carried over for a rolling 3 year cycle so you have the opportunity to use this power if you don't Enel will pay you 8 cents/kWp. So in principle you get a contribution of 33 cents plus you get free leccy at say 19 cents/kWp and it is this money multiplied by your annual consumption that pays for the capital cost loan. It works but contributions are being cut this year by 18% followed by 6% per year until 2013. If you are going to do it - do it now!! I hope this helps....??? Larger installations have the same sorts of tariffs but are more complicated due to company accounting et cetera...
Last year we did three PV installations 10.88kWp, 9.33kWp & 7.66kWp. This year we are doing 143kWp & 97kWp installations all for Italian clients - the average costs were €3.00.Wp excl IVA. I would like to iron out a few errors that are creeping in.... For residents under 20kWp installations and which has the best return on capital is called "scambio sul posto". This means every kWp produced by your PV array is feed into the network and you are paid approx. 33cents/kWp by GSE. Further from Enel you are allowed to recoup the amount deposited. This is done bi monthly - so some months you'll have to pay and some months you'll have a credit which will be carried over. Any kWp remaining after 12 months is carried over for a rolling 3 year cycle so you have the opportunity to use this power if you don't Enel will pay you 8 cents/kWp. So in principle you get a contribution of 33 cents plus you get free leccy at say 19 cents/kWp and it is this money multiplied by your annual consumption that pays for the capital cost loan. It works but contributions are being cut this year by 18% followed by 6% per year until 2013. If you are going to do it - do it now!! I hope this helps....??? Larger installations have the same sorts of tariffs but are more complicated due to company accounting et cetera...
There is a difference between pathogens and bacteria. After sewerage treatment there remains no pathogens in the crap you are applying to the soil. Pathogens have the ability to create complex and life threatening diseases!! Crap in itself is fine and potatoes growing in Nepal on their dry toilets is fine - the urine has soaked away. Crap in itself will compost relatively quickly and after aeration and drying by the sun will kill most pathogens however with the mixture of urine you are really much worse off. If you extract the urine (not taking the piss) from the crap at source you can get a much simpler and cleaner type of septic tank. The urine on it's own can be diluted and sprayed quite legally on fields and is a premium fertiliser even human urine - it's 100% sterile. But separating toilets are expensive and storage is double - it is the compiling of all waste in one container that creates the problem. We pay about €800/annum for collection and disposal by authorised contractor with a certificate should it be required. Yes it's expensive (who ever said Italy was cheap) but nature, rivers and the ground water will thank you!
The septic tank normally an Imhoff digests the rest products from your house and it is correct that you must be wary of what you dispose of down the drain. Technically you need to divide the waters into three separate runs, white, grey and black. Black being for the crap and white rain water and grey everything else. The grey water should pass through a grease trap as fat harms the breakdown process of the Imhoff. You should never need to empty your septic tank unless it gets blocked, wrong type of crap down the drains or undersized. After the Imhoff the rules stipulate that you should have an infiltration system which then allows the water to disperse to the ground. This is made up of different types of shingle and gravel sizes. Eventually this will become useless over time and another trench would need to be dug for the next ten years or so. However this method needs a geological report submitted by a geologist to examine the characteristics of the ground soil for absorbing this - otherwise you just have a bog or peat lands... An alternative is a filter which absorbs to 99% all the pathogens leaving the Imhoff and needs to be emptied every year with a certificate of disposal by a approved contractor. Naturally the rules are applied differently from commune to commune, region to region and province to province... as is normal in Italy. But you should never!!! use the contents on your vegetable patch without the risk of contracting some mysterious disease following the eating of your own pathogens!!! It is quite dangerous and illegal!! I hope this helps
If you feel met by my arrows my apologises!! But if you have nowt constructive to say then don't say anything... Don't knit pick on spelling and language construction it's very demeaning for you.... and I've already broached this earlier... If I see Brits in this light how do you feel Italians see us Brits.... in a better light.. I don't think so!! I see people come and go with good intentions sign up at school and after 3 weeks drop out and then after some time return to the UK because they can't hack it here... they will not integrate they want the whole of Italy to change for them - give me a break. I haven't lived in the UK for over 30 years so I must have been a gumpy young man .. or is it the fact that I see you Brits and that makes me grumpy ashamed of my lands men looking at the view point of Italians. We have a number of Italian friends (yes we do have friends) and at dinner parties this topic always turns up - my wife is proud to say she is not British. The British are strange, they drop out, they don't speak the language, they want to do their way, et cetera... Integrate more!!!
Clinging on.... I'm voicing an opinion not many like and not always PC ... I'm asking you Brits to Integrate more into Italian society only then can things change for the better (from who's perspective - I think it's fine as it is but...). There is seldom anything to debate (sorry lecture) about and feel it is sometimes necessary to stir the pot - I want is a debate and that's what we got. If living in Italy is living in a fantasy world then yes we are... hoorah at last. We are the guests in this country and not the all conquering colonialising force arriving to rape the country as we Brits do best (think empire here) and the only reason we did that - besides the natural resources and a good supply of man servants - was so we could teach the natives English so we didn't need to learn another language. What's wrong with being a little self righteousness or even a little aloof as long as we are not smug about it - we have just integrated (there's the plot). History has shown that a conquering force (I'm not saying we are conquering here) in the end fails ... Oh look at Egypt... We gave india back... but the Vikings, Norse men, Norman integrated and learnt the language and customs... yes they wanted a better climate, better harvests et cetera.. Integrate - learn the language we are still going to school regularly even after 6 yeras at our cost no free scholl here - it's a difficult language. It's hard work and nothing in life comes free!!
Even people who research can get it wrong - the property Winnifred bought was priced 30.000 euros less than they paid for it on a local website!! I have first hand experience of this over pricing - buyer beware springs to mind. Using an estate agents' geometra is always a bad move just more money for the unregistered estate agents - the named estate agents use this frequently as their bank account testify. I know of both companies well and their tactics over the last 6 years - real scoundrels (now I'm being PC) - the both of them!! I concur with qui gía!!
Of course my posting is about generalisations to stimulate the debate and see in what direction the debate goes and how sustainable and of interest (to the members) that debate is. I'm sorry I'm not PC but I'm rather tired of PC - I am direct and candid and I won't apologise for this. This debate is now worth contributing to with many voices going in different directions - it naturally makes me stop and think about points that may not have occurred to me ( I thank you!!). The debate now makes me want write to answer and express a differnt point of view. I especially would like to thank all the postings after my reply to all the one liners who are now obvious in their absence as my faith is being restored that there are people out there with strong views (in either direction)... so now back to the debate... Reggio Emilia is no different from anywhere else in Italy crime rate (we've been broken into once) but in general no different from the UK. Yes I am British and of course I shouldn't use the same brush for all Brits there are I am sure plenty who can meet my expectations. It must be me or the profession I had/have (semi retired) where capital outlay and costs are exorbitant and cash is tight with you Brits (of course I include ourselves). But I am disappointed and exasperated in my lands men they make no effort to accept the culture, they bring theirs with them thank god we're not in Spain with fish & chips at some greasy spoon. They make no effort to even try to learn the language and getto-ism becomes a fact (them and us). I know it's hard work to learn a language I've been at it 5 years and still learning (conjunctives pheww). You get so much more out of Italian culture and everyday situations if you can at least speak the bear essentials it doesn't have to be perfect. On line payments in all their ease but you can't beat queueing up at Sigma, the bank or post office or just sitting 5 minutes more in the bar... to begin to grasp the dolce vita. I'm short of time and hav been for the time it's taken to write the above but I find it interesting and had to write directly.... Thanks again all but the one liners!!
The posting was to inflame debate not spell check and analyse each sentance I wrote. I apologise to all you one liners - I was obviously too near the bone for you and it all rang true - all too true!! The figures are approximate from the NSO a few years back- I've seen families come ago over the last 6 years because of one reason or another slowly returning to the UK. The real world is unfortunately like this and the Brits don't seem to be able to hack it in a foreign language country. I live and work here on a day to day basis with Italians and watch the arrogant Brit arrive fight the system and fail returning home with their tails between their legs. Poorer and no wiser with little or no knowledge of the language culture or the people - morons!! You can't change a system that's been working for a couple of thousand years over night not in a Brit's life time or even patience (which isn't too long or until the money runs out). To live in a new country you have to be flexible and adaptable; you need to thread humbly amongst the locals to become an accepted part of their society. You have to change your manner and the way you deal with things - this is not the UK - the change should be for the better well at least I would hope so. This is a debate forum - so debate and add something constructive instead of criticising and whinging about how true my posting was to you one liners. Thanks!!
Hi jmh, Forget about all the expensive sophisticated energy sources. You're building a brand new timber framed house just insulate the hell out of it 30 cm in the walls, 45 cm in the roof and 20 cm in the floor and you can forget about heating and cooling requirements or you'll need just the bear minimum!! And that is simple to fix with a stufa and/or a small split system at high level. For DHW a small solar panel with 200/300 litres and a water manteled stufa wood or pellet. Cheap as cheese and costs nowt to run!! All you're really trying to do is avoid heat loses and gains to have an ambient indoor climate!!