Spese condominiale - we signed a contract to rent an apartment in March this year. The rent is a fixed amount per month plus a contribution of 200 EUR per month for le spese condominiale.
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Power cuts: We live in Bergamo. We're currently experiencing the fifth power cut in five days.
Each lasts from one to four hours. There would seem to be a failing component in need of replacement.
A question about "fibre" broadband..
We're from the UK where "fibre" normally just means "fibre to the street cabinet". It's quite rare to actually be able to get Fibre to the Home.
Electricity meter question..
We've rented an apartment, however the previous tenant didn't pay the electricity bill and the electricity was disconnected.
Renting in ItalyHi,I have a few questions about renting in Italy.
I love Italy - the music, culture, food and language. Would love to move there.I'm self-employed and run my own business in the UK in a technical field and one where Italy appears to be seeking people to fill.
Yes, it is, but I don't want to ask "Do we need to pay this" since:
1. We are paying this monthly - all property listings of apartments for rent, like ours, include a figure for spese condominiale and what puzzles me is why the landlord collects this each month when it's the tenant that receives the bill. I can only imagine that it is to make sure it is paid because the landlord is the one actually accountable for making sure that happens.
2. The landlord might think "I'll just say yes. That way I get 2,400 EUR per year, and I get to keep most or all of that for myself. They can pay twice".
We have asked around and some friends have the identical situation. They receive the bill, but because like us they pay the landlord monthly they ignore the bill and it is paid by the landlord. This is how I imagined it must work.
The weird thing is that the bill is sent to the tenants, who are not accountable: it is the landlord that is accountable. This makes no sense at all to me but seems to be how things work.
The plot thickens..
Apparently the tenant is responsible for paying the charges, but the accountability lies with the landlord. Which is mad :)
So we have a bill for 975 EUR for the condominium expenses.
However so far we've already paid 1,200 EUR (200 EUR per month) to the landlord for the condominium expenses as set out in the contract.
So am I right to assume that the landlord knows when this falls due and pays "our" bill; that this is how these things normally work and that way she knows that it gets paid?
As the landlord is the one held accountable for making sure it's paid, which is presumably why she has asked us to pay these expenses to her monthly (2,400 EUR per year in addition to the rent which I guess includes both this 975 EUR and other costs like the central heating) so that she can do exactly that.
The estate agent was very good and made an attempt to explain everything in every section. My Italian is OK however the contract contains technical terms with which I am not familiar.
I came away with the understanding that the condominial expenses were 200 EUR per month (I think the advertisement for the property said exactly that, I have a picture of the page somewhere) which covers water, heating, the porter, property maintenance etc.
We pay the rent of 800 EUR per month + the condo expenses of 200 EUR per month = 1,000 EUR per month to the landlord by bank transfer each month.
Neither UBI Banca nor the landlord have our bank details. There is a section on the payment slip from UBI Banca which I can complete if I want the money to be taken out of my bank account automatically.
So we pay 2,400 EUR per year to the landlord for le spese condominiali already.
As we are not the owners of the apartment I do not understand why this bill has arrived addressed to us.
Thanks for your reply. The contract says:
"Il canone annuo di locazione, secondo quanto stabilito dall'Accordo territoriale tra le organizzazioni APPE – Confedilizia – Asppi e Sunia – Sicet- Uniat, depositato il 13 giugno 2017 presso il Comune di Bergamo, è convenuto in euro 9.600, che i conduttori si obbligano a corrispondere nel domicilio del locatore ovvero a mezzo di bonifico bancario, in 12 rate mensili eguali anticipate di euro 800,00 ciascuna entro il primo del mese."
"Per gli oneri accessori le parti fanno applicazione della Tabella oneri accessori, allegato D al decreto emanato dal Ministro delle infrastrutture e dei trasporti di concerto con il Ministro dell’economia e delle finanze ai sensi dell’articolo 4, comma 2, della legge n. 431/1998 e di cui il presente contratto costituisce l’allegato A. In sede di consuntivo, il pagamento degli oneri anzidetti, per la quota parte di quelli condominiali/comuni a carico del conduttore, deve avvenire entro sessanta giorni dalla richiesta. Prima di effettuare il pagamento, il conduttore ha diritto di ottenere l’indicazione specifica delle spese anzidette e dei criteri di ripartizione. Ha inoltre diritto di prendere visione – anche tramite organizzazioni sindacali – presso il locatore (o il suo amministratore o l’amministratore condominiale, ove esistente, dei documenti giustificativi delle spese effettuate. Insieme con il pagamento della prima rata del canone annuale, il conduttore versa una quota di acconto non superiore a quella di sua spettanza risultante dal rendiconto dell’anno precedente. Per le spese di cui al presente articolo i conduttori versano una quota mensile di euro 200,00 (duecento/00) salvo conguaglio."
We pay 800 EUR + 200 EUR = 1,000 EUR per month to the landlord.
We have not received an invoice from the bank, just a payment slip, which has RIC 23139 ES 2020/2021 (RATA NR. 1 UI 125 EUR 985) on it.
Thanks. I found that during the last power cut and entered the "POD" number. It has no record of any power interruptions and says that there is no planned work.
I'm just guessing there's a failing component at the sub-station that supplies these buildings, it cuts out, and someone is sent to switch it back on again. However the fault isn't being repaired, so it happens again and again. A component needs replacing.
We pay our bills to a2aenergia so I'm guessing we approach them for a reduction in our bills/and or compensation and this would be a good thing to do because without a financial incentive to fix it, this may just keep happening.. does anyone know if there is a formal compensation scheme to which energy suppliers must conform and adhere?
Thanks for that. I completely agree that the customer must "keep to their side of the bargain" and pay for the minimum length stated.
But, there is no minimum length stated anywhere, so it can only be one month, since the contract is "month to month" and paid monthly. I think I should probably print the web pages in case they are needed later :)
We do expect to live in this apartment for at least a year, probably two, so if the service is OK then there should be no problem.
I found we can also get Tiscali here, too, so it's a choice of three: TIM, Fastweb, Tiscali. Then I thought to look at reviews of all three companies and they are all appalling.
Fastweb does allow you to cancel if you're not happy with it at the start - if, for example, it is really slow.
I've found the cable in the apartment, so it has had FTTP before, and should be easy to activate. Who to choose..
I think I'm beginning to see what you mean here. There's no minimum contract period mentioned anywhere with Fastweb FTTH. Not that I can find..
In the Terms and Conditions to which you have to agree, there's a line that states that the term will be "as agreed with the customer", but will not exceed 24 months.
Under UK law the period of the contract is called a "core term" and must show together clearly, with the price. And unless I've missed something in the Terms, under UK law the minimum contract period would be one month because nothing else is mentioned anywhere. Fastweb could not enforce a longer contract period.
TIM do show the contract term with pop-ups that explain the various elements. Albeit they want 5 EUR per month for a modem. For four years :)
Four years is illegal under UK law, too. 2 years is the maximum permitted.
It has to be one of those two because they're the only ones that provide FTTH.
Thanks. That story sounds familiar. Almost all the telcoms companies in the UK are like that :)
This apartment can have fibre to the home. As I look around I can only find a telephone socket so I'm assuming they'll have to install a new connection to terminate the fibre in the apartment. We're on the 5th floor. I wonder if they have to run the fibreoptic cable up the stairs or if someone already has the service in the building so it's is already in place.
But that won't be happening any time soon because of the lockdown. I might go ahead and order it now as there will probably be a backlog of work when the restrictions are lifted.
Update: we've met the "man at the desk" who is lovely, and paid 3 EUR to have a key for the cupboard. He's very helpful.
I explained that we don't have access to the locked cupboard, and they said that we need to speak to the concierge, or to a neighbour.
I have no idea where the real accountability lies here.
However given the low wattage to the apartments with the supply going off regularly, I think we'll need our own key to the cupboard at some point - it seems odd that the energy company would have to come out to the building every time we run too many appliances at the same time.