In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I think Mosley needs another thoroughly good spanking:yes:!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Without Ferrari F1 will just be another boring racing series similar to what na$car is in the USA!
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Gil;120991]Without Ferrari F1 will just be another boring racing series similar to what na is in the USA!
:no::no::no:[/quote]
I'm not so sure - this year has been pretty good viewing - even without Ferrari doing very well.
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
At least last year, and this year, the results haven't been a continuing 'foregone conclusion'... A reasonable feeling of real competition has returned to F1, and for that reason, as a viewer, so have I.
IMHO Ferrari gain far too much from their F1 (and other spin offs) to withdraw thier participation. For me they are flexing their very loud roar in the hopes that it will turn the tide (i.e. frighten the sponsors into dealing with the problem) without them having to 'actually quit'.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
FIAT can't support their expensive racing program while taking on Chrysler, Opel, SAAB and Vauxhall. Something had to go. Hopefully just temporary though.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=alan h;121010]I'm not so sure - this year has been pretty good viewing - even without Ferrari doing very well.
.[/quote]Alan, says you,and thats a limited viewpoint based on a sort of britishness, and not on a sporting viewpiont!and do not take offense please as F1 is admired all over the world and if you ask this question of Germans or Spaniards or French ect ect, those who also have heritage within the sport,I believe you would be in the monrity, indeed even on Yahoo F1 SPORTS COVERAGE, which is mainly a British site 75% who follow the sport dis agree with you.and given the actual facts where at this moment one make "brawn" and one driver "button" are walking it, I can say without hesitation that for the mass majority,who follow it regardless, it is actually already becoming pretty poor viewing compared to the last 4 seasons.And its easy to show why,as in each of these seasons its gone down to the wire and been between two teams and at least two drivers.So how whats happened this season can be compared with that god knows.Although hopefully things will change and maybe the season will be saved, regardless of who wins what..
ATM unless something drastically changes this will end up being the most one sided boring season for a fare few years!.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Noma;121040]FIAT can't support their expensive racing program while taking on Chrysler, Opel, SAAB and Vauxhall. Something had to go. Hopefully just temporary though.[/quote]
:laughs::laughs:. these are two entirely different issues and are no way linked! Ferrari IS VERY PROFITABLE, even in this recession, and Fiat are not a major sponsor of them anyway! indeed Fiat sponsor Rossi's Yamaha team in moto GP! so much for cutting cost!
Also Fiats planned expansion is all about getting something for nothing! Ferrari racing programme does not and never would come into any equation.! and there argument with the FIA IS ABOUT BUDGET CUTS RESTRICTING RACE COMPETITIVENESS totally the opposite of what you think.....
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
sorry gio - couldn't resist doing my last post - I thought it would get you going!
I think Brawn may have 'peaked' - I expect [hope] that the others will soon be running at similar pace [or better] and then things will really get interesting. [I dislike races where one car is way out in front]
Even Ferrari are improving, and they should be up there on the podium before the end of the season - but no championship for them this year I think.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=alan h;121049]sorry gio - couldn't resist doing my last post - I thought it would get you going!
I think Brawn may have 'peaked' - I expect [hope] that the others will soon be running at similar pace [or better] and then things will really get interesting. [I dislike races where one car is way out in front]
Even Ferrari are improving, and they should be up there on the podium before the end of the season - but no championship for them this year I think.[/quote]
Ross Brawn is one hell of a competitor and with Virgin on board, it surely would take something just short of a miracle for button to be caught. You would need 2 teams and 3 drivers to have better pace than the brawns for one of them to have aq chance of catching them. Now if that happened and regardless if button was caught or not that would be the making of one hell of a season.....
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
“Maranello 12 May 2009 - Ferrari’s Board of Directors, chaired by Luca di Montezemolo, today analysed the first quarter results for 2009. Despite the current international economic climate, which has hit the automotive sector in particular, Ferrari’s figures were in line with the record levels reached in 2008. Turnover for the first three months was 441 million euro compared to 455.7 million euro...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The Chrysler, perhaps GM deal, is set up to be entirely separate from Ferrari and Maserati - racing or road-going - which won't form part of Fiat Auto. That deal will have no impact on the racing team.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Charles Phillips;121057]The Chrysler, perhaps GM deal, is set up to be entirely separate from Ferrari and Maserati - racing or road-going - which won't form part of Fiat Auto. That deal will have no impact on the racing team.[/quote]
Ferrari is already a separate entity to FIAT spa, as GM found out to their cost only a few years back when they were forced to give Fiat over 2 billion dollars to NOT buy Fiat out!
I confess i do not know how these things work, but..thats how it is/was.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
There are, I think two strands to this argument between the Constructors Association, its not just Ferrari, of which Luca di Montezemolo is Chairman and Max Mosely. Firstly, this is about money, but perhaps not in the accepted way. The teams and indeed Max Mosely would like to cut the funding required by teams and lower the cost of entry, one way of doing this is to increase the amount of money flowing to the teams from television rights, hospitality, etc etc which is currently pocketed by Bernie Ecclestone. No GP makes a profit because the majority of the income flows to BE. This being the principle reason that GP's at the historic tracks such as Silverstone have been replaced by state sponsored new tracks such as Malasia and Bahrain.
Secondly, it is about how you move to a lower cost model, big bang as Moseley is proposing with its tiered approach, which is anathema to the major teams, or a phased approach. Fundamental to Ferrari however is the need to have the research and technological development which transfers over time to the road cars. A compromise will be found, most probably by Bernie, because F1 without the major teams will be even less attractive than it has become on its sanitised tracks and that means even less money for Bernie!!
As for Ferrari, they would I suspect love to stop developing the current car and concentrate on the 2010 design. The problem is the Abu Dhabi GP which is the last race of what is likely to be a close season. The Abu Dhabi Royal Family/Government are major sponsors of Ferrari through Mubadella / Etihad and a major component of the Yas Island development is the Ferrari World Theme Park. They will therefore want Ferrari to be competitive. So I guess Ferrari will soldier on and improve, but unfortunately not enough.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Whilst on the subject, has anyone seen this news about Rome hosting a Grand Prix? [url=http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090514152603.shtml]F1 : Rome presents F1 project - F1 - F1-Live.com[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Well the battle has heated up even more so, whilst an apparent fruitless meeting was taking place between all parties, it became apparent Ferrari have taken legal action against the FIA in Paris! They"Ferrari" are after an injunction concerning the planned money cap as the deadline for acceptance gets nearer..........I have to say i am quite surprised no one has taken a vote of no confidence against mosley, a man who claimed he would retire this year!
When that silly fool "Mosley" made that comment concerning F1 and Ferrari, it was clear his marbles had rolled down the road....
Surely the question is will Mosley still be the head of the FIA in 2010? If he is, then will F1 be a secondary sport to whatever the likes of Ferrari, Mclaren renault BMW ect ect set up themselves?
I do not believe Mosley can survive this without backing down. He already has many enemies in the FIA,and no doubts this episode will add to it....
Yes F1 can survive without Ferrari,, but the proposed changes would make it a second rate championship, easily challenged by a few old hands acting together.........