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Answer to: Monti Wealth tax
Tue, 01/29/2013 - 14:34

Looking at the link and a very rough translation it looks like a trust would be looked at and if the property is still available to you/held for your benefit the trust is likely to be ignored. If you are letting the property out then it might be excluded - but may depend on the terms of the lease. You need to get the advice of a good commercialista or wait until someone is able to consider the Italian rules in a bit of detail. If the property has been your principle private residence for UK tax purposes since you acquired it there would not be any UK Capital Gains Tax on its disposal. However, watch the Italian tax position if sold whilst Italian resident for tax purposes.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 07:32

Hi Rachel Please PM me and I will see what I can do. The draft legislation that wis proposed to apply from 5 April 2013 is due out later this week, although I will not be able to do very much before Xmas.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 09:10

The position is dependant on the tax residence of each individual. Each country has its own rules as to whether you are resident and for many this means that they would, under each countries domestic rules, be tax resident in both countries. Hence the need for provisions in the double tax agreement which effectively mean you can be tax resident in only 1 of the countries. For UK tax purposes there is no statutory definition of tax residence, there is a substantial amount of case law on the subject. As I mentioned in one of my posts on another thread, the UK rules are in the process of being amended to provide a statutory basis of determining residence by reference to a number of facts. Draft legislationis is due to be published in December which will be enacted in the 2013 Finance Act and come into effect from 6 April 2013 (subject to any changes during the intervening consultation period). I am hoping to do a brief note, which I will post on the forum, about this early next year. At the moment the proposed rules will make it easier to determine UK tax residence and some people who are UK resident under the curent system will be non resident and vice versa. It will also be easier to see what you need to do and how to arrange your life and financial affairs to either ensure UK tax residence or ensure you are not UK tax resident where this is possible. So far as the original question is concerned, it works as follows (with reference to letting income) Assuming UK tax resident: 1)  Work out UK taxable income for the tax year (6 April to 5 April) using UK tax rules. 2)  Work out Italian taxable income for each overlapping tax year using Italian tax rules. With many holiday let situations, if there are no lettings in the period 1 January to 5 April then (taking the current year as an example)  the whole of the taxable income in Italy would fall in the Italian tax year to 31 December 2012 and the UK tax year to 5 April 2013. The whole of the Italian tax would then be available as a credit against the UK tax on the same income. Where income is received over the whole year it would be necessary to apportion it. For example Income taxed in Italy in the 2012 year would be apportioned as to approx 3/12 to UK tax year to 5 April 2012 and 9/12 to UK tax year to 5 April 2013. The Italian tax being apportioned as well and available for offset against the appropriate UK tax year's liability If you are likely to become Italian Tax resident from next March then then the new UK rules are likely to affect you. As noted in the other thead on Fiscal v non-fiscal resdence t is possible to be Fiscally resident in the UK for tax purposes whilst being non-fiscally resident in Italy. Without knowing your full circumstances it is not possible to say whether you would be in that position or not. If you are then it would be necessary to claim non-residence on the Italian tax return (I will be in this position from some point in the next couple of years and would use an experienced commercialista to deal with the Italian tax authorities).  

Sat, 11/03/2012 - 05:28

You may find the following useful. It covers the effect of the recent ruling and what claims can be made for previous years, incl in respect of claims made that were refused. http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/m-31-12.pdf

Thu, 10/25/2012 - 17:46

Steve From the consultation documents issued so far it should make the question of UK tax resident or not clearer in the majority of cases. I have never worked for HMRC, I am on the other side having spent over 35 years as a chartered accountant and tax consultant providing leading edge tax advice and planning for individuals, trusts and entrepreneurial businesses (including international tax issues affecting them from the UK perspective). I am due to partially retire next year and will then have some time to deal with issues I want to research and look at rather than everything being client led. :)

Thu, 10/25/2012 - 11:52

Steve All HMRC pronouncements and their own manuals come with the same "wealth warning" and there are some areas where HMRC's interpretation of the law is disputed. The current rules on tax residence are complex and vague in many areas and it is usually a matter of the overall facts and their relevance. The proposed new rules are being introduced to to make it easier to determine in most cases an individual's UK tax residence status. I am proposing to do a note early next year, once the draft legislation on the statutory residence tests is issued, on the question of UK tax residence and what needs to be done to retain UK tax residence notwithstanding being resident in Itay for non tax purposes, as well as how to make sure you are not UK tax resident if that is preferred. This will not only assist where people can choose or there is doubt but should hopefully assist to clarify the position for most people who are not able to arrange matters to give them the tax residence they would prefer. Gala Fair point, although where the pension is paid to is actually irrelevant to whether tax is deducted. However, if HMRC have not been notified that the individual has left the UK and is not tax resident there then deductions will continue to be made. Either way, if tax resident in Italy there is an obligation to file Italian tax returns. In some cases, even if physically in Italy for more than 183 days in a year the individual may still be UK tax resident and therefore only liable to Italian tax on Italian source income. The whole area is complex but hopefully for UK ex pats in Italy the new rules referred to above will make it easier to get things right.

Thu, 10/25/2012 - 05:16

Unfortunately Ram & Steve your interpretation is wrong. Contracting State does not mean the state in which the pension/annuity contract was either made or in which the employment took place. the term  "Contracting State" is a defined term under Article 3(1)(c) of the DTA and means United Kingdom or Italy as the context requires. So far as Article 19(2) is concerned, that relates solely to pensions arising from employment by the State (including Local Authority) and does not apply if the employment was with anyone else. The problem with the State OAP is that it is paid by the State but, unless the individual was employed by the State, arises because of contributions relating to employment outside of the State sector. This interpretation is supported by HMRC's own interpretation as set out in their manuals and other published material: DT1926 Nonresidents: UK Income: Pensions: General   Pensions, other than Government pensions (see DT1927), paid in consideration of past employment to a resident of a country with which the United Kingdom has a double taxation agreement are normally taxable only in the country of which the pensioner is a resident but there are exceptions to this. For example, the agreement with Sweden gives limited taxing rights to the source country, the agreement with Zimbabwe gives sole taxing rights to the source country if the employment in respect of which the pension is paid was exercised in the source country, and some other agreements enable both countries to tax such pensions or only give exemption in the source country if the pension is subject to tax in the country of which the recipient is a resident. Claims by residents of agreement countries to exemption from United Kingdom tax on such pensions are made to HMRC. The relevant office (see DT1820) will authorise non-deduction of United Kingdom tax if a claim is accepted. The folowing is an extract from the HMRC DTA Digest (April 2012) which shows that the National Insurance Retirement Pension (State Pension) is trated differently from pensions paid in respect of employment by the State (Government Pensions)   State Pension The State Pension is paid to people who have reached State Pension age. It is based on National Insurance contributions (NICs) and relief from UK income tax is available under the terms of many, but not all, double taxation treaties. For that reason it is important to check the text of the relevant treaty. Government' pensions (pensions that are paid to former Government or local authority employees) If you receive a pension that is paid for service to the UK Government or a local authority, it is important that you look at the text of the relevant double taxation treaty. This is because: • A pension paid by the Government of a territory to one of its former employees will, under most but not all double taxation treaties, continue to be taxed by that Government. However that is not always what has been agreed in a particular treaty and there are variations to this general rule. • Some treaties also provide that, in addition to pensions paid by central government, pensions that are paid to former employees of local authorities will continue to be taxable by the territory that is making the payments. • Many treaties provide that where the person who is paid a government pension by one territory is a national of (and resident in) the other territory then the right to tax the pension is transferred from the UK to the territory in which the person is resident. These treaties are identified in the table by the abbreviation (N & R) or (UK N excl) as appropriate. Extract from IR121 (2008) Approaching retirement - A guide to tax and National Insurance contributions European Union   There is no standard taxation in the European Union. But there are numerous tax agreements between countries so you should never have to pay the tax twice on the same income. The State Pension, although it comes from the UK, will not be taxed in the UK. So you would have to declare the amount on any foreign tax form you might be asked to complete.  

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 05:20

Steve The key words are highlighted in bold below: Subject to the provisions of paragraph (2) of Article 19 of this Convention, pensions and other similar remuneration paid in consideration of past employment to a resident of a Contracting State and any annuity paid to such a resident shall be taxable only in that State Whlst the language of the treaty can appear to be somewhat convoluted, in the context of the treaty and what it is aiming to do and on ordinary UK  principles of interpretatiom it means that if you are a tax resident of Italy at the time you receive the pension payment that payment will be taxed in Italy under their normal Italian tax rules of taxing tax residents on their worldwide income. The treaty then exempts you from tax in the UK (otherwise it would also be taxable in the UK under the normal UK tax rules as its source is the UK). All of course subject to the provisions relating to pensions from employment with the State. Hope that clarifies it.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 13:22

Angie & Robert Sounds right and I agree, even though I am involved in UK tax advisory work I leave the Italian end to my Commercialista. Steve Not sure what you mean by your first paragraph. Article 18 (1) is about residence at the time the pension is paid, not when it was earned. Without the provision it would be taxable in the UK (source) and Italy (country of tax residence). The provision means that (unless from state employment) it is taxable only in the country of tax residence. Regarding second para. Have undertaken quite a bit of research I cannot find a list of precisely what is included within the "pension for employment by the state". Best I could find is contained in my earlier posts. Whilst not relevant to taly, if a civil service pension is received in a country which has no agreement or similar domestic rules it would also be taxable under that country's domestic rules!

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 06:33

I cannot comment on the advice given to Angie and Robert by their Commercialista as there may be a special concession or something. However, at first sight it does not accord with the usual UK tax rules or the way the Double Tax Agreement works, and I do not see how it can apply only to those old age pensions where other state pensions are received unless the individual has only ever worked for the state, or possibly the only pensions received are from employment by the state. In that case it might be that it is accepted that the old age pension (or part of it) is payable in respect of services to the state and therefore only taxable in the UK. I have found nothing which gives any kind of ruling on this and it would require details of a specific situation to be submitted by (or on behalf of) an individual to HMRC to get a ruling. Where the individual has not been employed by the state etc then I do not see how it can be argued that the Pension of someone who is tax resident in Italy and not the UK is liable to UK tax on their old age pension. The following may be of assistance to understanding the question of where someone is tax resident if they would otherwise be tax resident in the UK and Italy (under their respective tax residence rules - note that the UK rules on tax residence are currently being formalised - which may make it easier to determine if you are UK tax resident under those rules and that the new rules are currently proposed to apply from 6 April 2013) as well as the specific provisions applying to pensions. Extracts from the UK/Italy Double Tax Agreement (Convention of 21 October 1988: SI 1990/2590 Article 4Fiscal domicile 1)     For the purposes of this Convention, the term “resident of a Contracting State” means any person who, under the laws of that State, is liable to taxation therein by reason of his domicile, residence, place of management or any other criterion of a similar nature. But this term does not include any person who is liable to tax in that Contracting State only if he derives income from sources therein. (2)     Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph (1) of this Article an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, then his status shall be determined in accordance with the following rules:        (a)     he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State in which he has a permanent home available to him. If he has a permanent home available to him in both Contracting States, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State with which his personal and economic relations are closer (centre of vital interests);           (b)     if the Contracting State in which he has his centre of vital interests cannot be determined, or if he has no permanent home available to him in either Contracting State, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the State in which he has an habitual abode;           (c)     if he has an habitual abode in both Contracting States or in neither of them, he shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State of which he is a national;           (d)     if he is a national of both Contracting States or of neither of them, the competent authorities of the Contracting States shall settle the question by mutual agreement.   (3)     Where by reason of the provisions of paragraph (1) of this Article a person other than an individual is a resident of both Contracting States, then it shall be deemed to be a resident of the Contracting State in which its place of effective management is situated   Article 18Pensions (1)     Subject to the provisions of paragraph (2) of Article 19 of this Convention, pensions and other similar remuneration paid in consideration of past employment to a resident of a Contracting State and any annuity paid to such a resident shall be taxable only in that State. (2)     The term “annuity” means a stated sum payable periodically at stated times during life or during a specified or ascertainable period of time under an obligation to make the payments in return for adequate and full consideration in money or money's worth. Article 19Government service (1)     —        (a)     Remuneration, other than a pension, paid by a Contracting State or a political or an administrative subdivision or a local authority thereof to any individual in respect of services rendered to that State or subdivision or local authority thereof shall be taxable only in that State.           (b)     Notwithstanding the provisions of sub-paragraph (1)(a) of this Article, such remuneration shall be taxable only in the other Contracting State if the services are rendered in that State and the recipient is a resident of that other Contracting State who:                   (i)     is a national of that State not being a national of the first-mentioned State; or                   (ii)     not being a national of the first-mentioned State did not become a resident of that other State solely for the purpose of performing the services. (2)     —          (a)     Any pension paid by, or out of funds created by, a Contracting State or a political or an administrative subdivision or a local authority thereof to any individual in respect of services rendered to that State or subdivision or local authority thereof shall be taxable only in that State.           (b)     Notwithstanding the provisions of sub-paragraph (2)(a) of this Article, such pension shall be taxable only in the other Contracting State if the individual is a national of and a resident of that State. (3)     The provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18 of this Convention shall apply to remuneration or pensions in respect of services rendered in connection with any trade or business carried on by one of the Contracting States or a political or an administrative subdivision or a local authority thereof