Just in the process of getting to grips with the new IMU tax, with the help of a very good site at the local comune, but it seems that the base figure of my cadastral value has gone uo by about 20%.
Originally, I paid my Enel bills by direct debit, but baulked at the huge charges, and closed my Italian bank account. I then filled out the same form on three separate occasions at the local Enel shop, to allow payment by direct debit on a UK issued credit card. This worked well, until the card expired, as they do, payment was refused, and the power cut off. Well, reduced, anyway. Since the bill only arrives six times a year, both by email and snailmail, I now pay it direct from my Irish (free) Euro account. There's a facility to use previous payment details, so all I have to alter is the invoice no. Of course, the downside of this is that a refund to my time-expired credit card had nowhere to go, and has resided for the last year or so in Enel's vast coffers. But it was only 30 euros, so heigh ho. I looked into paying by some other, simple, method, which I've forgotten now, but this relied on the recipient being signatory to SEPA, which stands, I think, for Single European Payment Agreement, or Area, and have a wild guess at what Enel's attitude to this might be??
Thanks, Sprostoni, Maybe I got confused about the September date. That was quite a hike for residents, up to 6%? I'd thought the scope for uplifting the rate was fairly limited. Wrong again, by the looks of it. Ah well, another trip to the comune early October.
Well, I managed to post the heading, now here, hopefully, is the content. I was just wondering if the date by which the comune have to set the final, adjusted, rate for Imu has gone back from 16th Sept to the 30th, or possibly even further, to early December? And is it the case that if the revised figure is ever published, one merely applies it to the rendita, as per the usual formula, to produce a total, from which the acconto payment is subtracted, the balance being the saldo, and entered on form F24 accordingly? What could possibly go wrong? And what would be the sanctions, do you think, if one just applied the 0.076 figure, ignoring the final amount. At least one would have tried to pay!!
I've been looking into this a bit too, Londonlass, and whilst I can't shed any light on your first question, I think you are right that the vast sums must be paid on the form F24 you mention. However, I think the form only looks so dauntingly long because it is in triplicate, so it's really only an A4 size form, and requires you to fill out your anagraphical details, and the amoung due, with the appropriate codes for your comune. Three times.Not sure if the amount has to be apportioned between state and local taxes. For my comune, the calculator does specify how much of the final amount goes where, but is less forthcoming on how to achieve this. I think I will be throwing myself on the mercy of the comune and/or post office.For what it's worth, the hike in your Imu does seem a bit steep. As a non resident, mine has gone from E440 to E569, without allowing for December's bit.
My comune also has a calculation tool on its website, although it's charmingly coy about how to pay the amount it generates. I suppose what I'm really looking for is reassurance that the figure provided by the Agenzia Entrata a week ago is both accurate and not likely to change. Applying their figure produces an amount due roughly half as much again as last year's Ici, which is pretty much what I was expecting.
Thanks for the info., Ram. I have a certificate from the Agenzia Entrata, dated 04/04/2012, stating the value in question, which as I mentioned, is roughly 20-25% higher that the post-renovation amount. I did go to the site recommended by Penny, but it said they had no information in their archive. Good old Terni!! I understand the 5% uplift, and the rest of the applicable factors. Do you mean that between now and June, when the first instalment is due, this figure will be uplifted by a further 60%? And with another 5% etc. on top? Eeeek! Is there a timescale for moving from potential rental rooms to square metreage for future calculations that you are aware of? Thanks again.
Thanks for the quick replies. i think I understand how to calculate the required amount (to be fair to my comune, its website does it all for me), but can I be fairly confident that the recent cadastral re-evaluation will stay for at least a few years, or even up to December when the final uplifting factor is applied? Or do I have to visit the website that Penny so kindly provided twice a year? I know it's not the Italian way, but would it be so hard to drop one a line saying "Happy Christmas. By the way, your cadastral rating's gone up by xxxx amount." After all, it's not as if they don't know where the houses are, is it?
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Originally, I paid my Enel bills by direct debit, but baulked at the huge charges, and closed my Italian bank account. I then filled out the same form on three separate occasions at the local Enel shop, to allow payment by direct debit on a UK issued credit card. This worked well, until the card expired, as they do, payment was refused, and the power cut off. Well, reduced, anyway. Since the bill only arrives six times a year, both by email and snailmail, I now pay it direct from my Irish (free) Euro account. There's a facility to use previous payment details, so all I have to alter is the invoice no. Of course, the downside of this is that a refund to my time-expired credit card had nowhere to go, and has resided for the last year or so in Enel's vast coffers. But it was only 30 euros, so heigh ho. I looked into paying by some other, simple, method, which I've forgotten now, but this relied on the recipient being signatory to SEPA, which stands, I think, for Single European Payment Agreement, or Area, and have a wild guess at what Enel's attitude to this might be??
Thanks, Sprostoni, Maybe I got confused about the September date. That was quite a hike for residents, up to 6%? I'd thought the scope for uplifting the rate was fairly limited. Wrong again, by the looks of it. Ah well, another trip to the comune early October.
Well, I managed to post the heading, now here, hopefully, is the content. I was just wondering if the date by which the comune have to set the final, adjusted, rate for Imu has gone back from 16th Sept to the 30th, or possibly even further, to early December? And is it the case that if the revised figure is ever published, one merely applies it to the rendita, as per the usual formula, to produce a total, from which the acconto payment is subtracted, the balance being the saldo, and entered on form F24 accordingly? What could possibly go wrong? And what would be the sanctions, do you think, if one just applied the 0.076 figure, ignoring the final amount. At least one would have tried to pay!!
I've been looking into this a bit too, Londonlass, and whilst I can't shed any light on your first question, I think you are right that the vast sums must be paid on the form F24 you mention. However, I think the form only looks so dauntingly long because it is in triplicate, so it's really only an A4 size form, and requires you to fill out your anagraphical details, and the amoung due, with the appropriate codes for your comune. Three times. Not sure if the amount has to be apportioned between state and local taxes. For my comune, the calculator does specify how much of the final amount goes where, but is less forthcoming on how to achieve this. I think I will be throwing myself on the mercy of the comune and/or post office. For what it's worth, the hike in your Imu does seem a bit steep. As a non resident, mine has gone from E440 to E569, without allowing for December's bit.
My comune also has a calculation tool on its website, although it's charmingly coy about how to pay the amount it generates. I suppose what I'm really looking for is reassurance that the figure provided by the Agenzia Entrata a week ago is both accurate and not likely to change. Applying their figure produces an amount due roughly half as much again as last year's Ici, which is pretty much what I was expecting.
Thanks for the info., Ram. I have a certificate from the Agenzia Entrata, dated 04/04/2012, stating the value in question, which as I mentioned, is roughly 20-25% higher that the post-renovation amount. I did go to the site recommended by Penny, but it said they had no information in their archive. Good old Terni!! I understand the 5% uplift, and the rest of the applicable factors. Do you mean that between now and June, when the first instalment is due, this figure will be uplifted by a further 60%? And with another 5% etc. on top? Eeeek! Is there a timescale for moving from potential rental rooms to square metreage for future calculations that you are aware of? Thanks again.
Thanks for the quick replies. i think I understand how to calculate the required amount (to be fair to my comune, its website does it all for me), but can I be fairly confident that the recent cadastral re-evaluation will stay for at least a few years, or even up to December when the final uplifting factor is applied? Or do I have to visit the website that Penny so kindly provided twice a year? I know it's not the Italian way, but would it be so hard to drop one a line saying "Happy Christmas. By the way, your cadastral rating's gone up by xxxx amount." After all, it's not as if they don't know where the houses are, is it?