I'm not aware of this law, unless it's something regional. I will check with my electrician and let you know!
However if you were intending to rent out rooms/or do a bed and breakfast, this may be the case.
Hi Emma,
Any questions, queries,clarifications?
Please do not hesitate to ask.
Extensive experience in Australia, United Kingdom(18 yrs), and Italy(since 2012).
The Italian building experience is like no other, as many on this site will CONFIRM.
Is the vehicle in Italy? I assume it's left hand drive.
I have friends that run classic car auctions in the UK. Can ask the question and get back to you and if you want speak to them directly I can put you in contact with them.
As they do not have a mechanism to collate private works costings, its a good comparison tool. It will give you an idea of costings. Generally speaking works for government would be a little higher. As you may know the building industry in Italy is limping especially at local level, so I think your local builders will be pricing 'fairly', assuming that you will be getting say 3 quotes/tenders in place. Your engineer/geometra should know costings anyway from previous experience.My engineer(friend) usually does a mock up 'preventivo' at what he thinks the costs will be, all itemised for every element of works including site prep and health/safety. He will give this to the client as a guide and then when the (3) 'prentivo's' come in they will compare.I think that the actual wording in the prezzario will come in handy as it gives you details on the different methods of work, standard of materials and differences.
Hi moe.skeCan't help with translation but fairly confident someone on this forum will be able to point you in the right direction.The only thing with the translation is it will be a literal translation. The italian regulations are more like guidelines and can sometimes be up to interpretation. A good local geometra/engineer will have a good relationship with the councils geometra/engineer and will be up to speed with the latest.My experience has been to design and spec it up as if you were at home (EU REGS), then work through it with your team in sicily and change as necessary. I'm sure they will have AUTOCAD or similar. The obvious differences will be with SISMIC regs(genio civile handles this) for you region. Roofing will depend on wind and snow levels for your region.As far as finishes, internal works are I'll give you an example: I wanted to have all my PVC casement windows opening outwards like in almost all UK homes and have a PVC cill(davanzale) . I couldn't find anyone to do it as they do not have the same systems. I didn't have the time nor the money/warranty issues to try and import, so I settled for the systems they use in Italy- marble cill and window hinged and opening inwards. I refused to have the shutters and they all thought I was a bit odd. Another 'odd' thing I did was to have all my internal partitions as lightweight plasterboard system apart from a couple of cross walls that had to stay masonary to tie the house together(genio civile requirement).If you can get your hands on a 'prezzario regione sicilia' (google) this will give you costings that are generally used for different types of work and will also have the wording for the detailed elements of work. If you also google 'britishexpats italy' it will give you some other forums where you could make further enquiries.
Hi moe.ske,Congratulations on your purchase.Not sure about where you would find an english version of building regs, as they are always being updated. Obviously best port of call would be a local 'geometra' or 'engineer'. As far as actual building standards it would depend on what type of construction you are thinking of. TRADITIONAL or PREFABRICATED.Basically its a process of stages:-Appoint a technical person(geometra, architect, engineer) to submit the drawings to the comune with all the associated paperwork: geologist report, sismic report, environmental impact report, engineers report and calculations etc, etc.-Approval of project with a time constraint to complete (3 years generally). May also have some other constraints or conditions that you may have to adhere to.-Pay the fees to comune and state-Invite contractors to tender on project based on a document that the technical person will prepare.-Select contractor: the contractor will have a lot of beurocratic guidelines to ahere to-The project will have an authorised person to oversee the works(direttore do lavoro) which can be geometra, engineer etc. I AM FAIRLY SURE YOU CAN NOT OVERSEE YOUR OWN PROJECT- ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MAY BE ABLE TO CONFIRM !A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO A LOT OF THE BUILDING PROCESS THEMSELVES HOWEVER ITS NOT THAT EASY.-At the end of project you will get it signed off and receive a certificate for inhabitness from comune.CONSIDERATIONS AT INITIAL STAGE WITH GEOMTERA/ARCHITECT PRIOR TO SUBMISSION:-land to house ratio-location of house in relation to the boundaries-distance of property to the road-type of construction to be in kind with surroundings-height of builing-access to sewerage or location of septic tank and acces to it.-power supply for works then power supply for dwelling-telephone-gas supply(location of tank)-boundary fencing(consultation with neighbours just in case their is any old land dispute(quite common in Italy))Wishing you luck with your new venture and hope the above helps!
Hi Richard,Just check its not a 'listed property' as this will restrict any works you can do etc.If there is a communal staircase of which all 3 apartments share, then the neighbours should know any information regarding the property as they will have a 'common interest'.Maybe speak with them and ask them if there have ever been any issues, leaks, cracking etc, etcBest to get a local professional to have a quick look ('un occhiata'). Maybe even a builder thats working nearby.
Hi eastburn,I don't see any problems with compatability.But as mentioned by the other members it would be logistically easier from Italy and also in my opinion cheaper.My immediate suggestions:GAS FITTING work and the associated italian requirements.Have all your paperwork in order when you do the refurb works. For any future sale or rental you may need it to be signed off.Don't forget the bidet ! As I think there is some law regarding having one.If the property is in a built up area(in town, close to neighbours) its best to get the paperwork in order. If its in the country/detached you could be more lapsed, but its always best to check the status of rural properties.if you want me to have a look at your quotes for a 2nd opinion feel free to send(delete any personal info)
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I'm not aware of this law, unless it's something regional. I will check with my electrician and let you know!
However if you were intending to rent out rooms/or do a bed and breakfast, this may be the case.
Hi Emma,
Any questions, queries,clarifications?
Please do not hesitate to ask.
Extensive experience in Australia, United Kingdom(18 yrs), and Italy(since 2012).
The Italian building experience is like no other, as many on this site will CONFIRM.
All the best
Hi Steven,
Is the vehicle in Italy? I assume it's left hand drive.
I have friends that run classic car auctions in the UK. Can ask the question and get back to you and if you want speak to them directly I can put you in contact with them.
Hi Emma,
Congratulations on the new venture.
Will you be based in Italy during the works?
If not where are you based?
As they do not have a mechanism to collate private works costings, its a good comparison tool. It will give you an idea of costings. Generally speaking works for government would be a little higher. As you may know the building industry in Italy is limping especially at local level, so I think your local builders will be pricing 'fairly', assuming that you will be getting say 3 quotes/tenders in place. Your engineer/geometra should know costings anyway from previous experience.My engineer(friend) usually does a mock up 'preventivo' at what he thinks the costs will be, all itemised for every element of works including site prep and health/safety. He will give this to the client as a guide and then when the (3) 'prentivo's' come in they will compare.I think that the actual wording in the prezzario will come in handy as it gives you details on the different methods of work, standard of materials and differences.
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Hi moe.skeCan't help with translation but fairly confident someone on this forum will be able to point you in the right direction.The only thing with the translation is it will be a literal translation. The italian regulations are more like guidelines and can sometimes be up to interpretation. A good local geometra/engineer will have a good relationship with the councils geometra/engineer and will be up to speed with the latest.My experience has been to design and spec it up as if you were at home (EU REGS), then work through it with your team in sicily and change as necessary. I'm sure they will have AUTOCAD or similar. The obvious differences will be with SISMIC regs(genio civile handles this) for you region. Roofing will depend on wind and snow levels for your region.As far as finishes, internal works are I'll give you an example: I wanted to have all my PVC casement windows opening outwards like in almost all UK homes and have a PVC cill(davanzale) . I couldn't find anyone to do it as they do not have the same systems. I didn't have the time nor the money/warranty issues to try and import, so I settled for the systems they use in Italy- marble cill and window hinged and opening inwards. I refused to have the shutters and they all thought I was a bit odd. Another 'odd' thing I did was to have all my internal partitions as lightweight plasterboard system apart from a couple of cross walls that had to stay masonary to tie the house together(genio civile requirement).If you can get your hands on a 'prezzario regione sicilia' (google) this will give you costings that are generally used for different types of work and will also have the wording for the detailed elements of work. If you also google 'britishexpats italy' it will give you some other forums where you could make further enquiries.
Hi moe.ske,Congratulations on your purchase.Not sure about where you would find an english version of building regs, as they are always being updated. Obviously best port of call would be a local 'geometra' or 'engineer'. As far as actual building standards it would depend on what type of construction you are thinking of. TRADITIONAL or PREFABRICATED.Basically its a process of stages:-Appoint a technical person(geometra, architect, engineer) to submit the drawings to the comune with all the associated paperwork: geologist report, sismic report, environmental impact report, engineers report and calculations etc, etc.-Approval of project with a time constraint to complete (3 years generally). May also have some other constraints or conditions that you may have to adhere to.-Pay the fees to comune and state-Invite contractors to tender on project based on a document that the technical person will prepare.-Select contractor: the contractor will have a lot of beurocratic guidelines to ahere to-The project will have an authorised person to oversee the works(direttore do lavoro) which can be geometra, engineer etc. I AM FAIRLY SURE YOU CAN NOT OVERSEE YOUR OWN PROJECT- ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MAY BE ABLE TO CONFIRM !A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO A LOT OF THE BUILDING PROCESS THEMSELVES HOWEVER ITS NOT THAT EASY.-At the end of project you will get it signed off and receive a certificate for inhabitness from comune.CONSIDERATIONS AT INITIAL STAGE WITH GEOMTERA/ARCHITECT PRIOR TO SUBMISSION:-land to house ratio-location of house in relation to the boundaries-distance of property to the road-type of construction to be in kind with surroundings-height of builing-access to sewerage or location of septic tank and acces to it.-power supply for works then power supply for dwelling-telephone-gas supply(location of tank)-boundary fencing(consultation with neighbours just in case their is any old land dispute(quite common in Italy))Wishing you luck with your new venture and hope the above helps!
Hi Richard,Just check its not a 'listed property' as this will restrict any works you can do etc.If there is a communal staircase of which all 3 apartments share, then the neighbours should know any information regarding the property as they will have a 'common interest'.Maybe speak with them and ask them if there have ever been any issues, leaks, cracking etc, etcBest to get a local professional to have a quick look ('un occhiata'). Maybe even a builder thats working nearby.
Hi eastburn,I don't see any problems with compatability.But as mentioned by the other members it would be logistically easier from Italy and also in my opinion cheaper.My immediate suggestions:GAS FITTING work and the associated italian requirements.Have all your paperwork in order when you do the refurb works. For any future sale or rental you may need it to be signed off.Don't forget the bidet ! As I think there is some law regarding having one.If the property is in a built up area(in town, close to neighbours) its best to get the paperwork in order. If its in the country/detached you could be more lapsed, but its always best to check the status of rural properties.if you want me to have a look at your quotes for a 2nd opinion feel free to send(delete any personal info)